Friday, February 27, 2009
I had the religion talk again with Thomas, but this time he had reinforcements. I was actually ambushed and cornered and they ganged up on me a little bit. I was on break with Thomas and a guy named George and I was just sitting across from them and I just happened to sit down when they were discussing how they both don't really have anyone to speak with about spirituality. Our whole department is chalk full of people who don't care about spirituality. Or at least christian spirituality.
So how I came in the picture was a little stupid. Thomas started naming off the guys he has been talking to about God and he mentioned how I don't believe in it. So George asks me what I believe in. When I told him I believe in human equality and such, he gave me the " what do you think made you?"question.
After I respectfully stated that I merely don't believe a God made anything because to me there is no God, they started asking me a barrage of questions like " what do you think made this chair?" And such.
And then the thing that really annoyed me and offended me was when Thomas said:" what if you're wrong and there is a God? What are you going to do? Don't you want to be on the right team?" When he said that I was just like, no you didn't just say that to me.
I don't know if I just get offended too fast, but I didn't like how he made wrong and right teams, and I was automatically in the wrong team. In sports, is there such thing as a wrong or right team? I don't think so. But I do know this, they compete for a common goal, which is the fault I find in Thomas' point about religion and teams.
Here it is again, I just want to express my thoughts and opinions on why I don't believe in anything really.
To me, religion is needed if you need something in your life to guide you. A lot of people, groups of people, need it in their lives to keep good morals up. You even see mass murderers do a complete 180 just because they have a new faith. People might need it when they go through a "dark time" in their life, but what is a dark time really?
There is a reason why I preferrably do not follow religion, and I really don't like the idea a lot of the time. What I noticed is that religion has people pointing fingers. it creates good and bad based on opinion. Sure there are lessons of right and wrong, but mainly they teach good and bad, in which there is a big difference.
I see a lot more personal problems arising between two people just because one person thinks the other person is doing a "bad" thing, when the other person doesn't know what's going on. And I go with my statement from before, just because I don't have their faith, am I a bad person? Frankly, I see more sinners within religion than without.
A lot of religion also teaches to differentiate, and even segregate. Just because they don't believe in the same thing, we don't belong in the same category any more. But we're fricken human! We eat pizza together, and we all pee and poo. I don't like people being rude and calling other people inferior just because they have different views.
I told Thomas that I am open to listening to his points, but it won't work to get me to believe in his God because I am content in how things are.
I should be more prepared next time when he asks me about my faith. I am going to tell him that he has good intentions, but it isn't important to me like it is to him. And I am going to tell him to stop looking down on me like I am a lost misguided soul because I am not. I not alone. I am with myself and others, and I feel I am well rounded as opposed to those that do believe.
Bam! Take that!
So how I came in the picture was a little stupid. Thomas started naming off the guys he has been talking to about God and he mentioned how I don't believe in it. So George asks me what I believe in. When I told him I believe in human equality and such, he gave me the " what do you think made you?"question.
After I respectfully stated that I merely don't believe a God made anything because to me there is no God, they started asking me a barrage of questions like " what do you think made this chair?" And such.
And then the thing that really annoyed me and offended me was when Thomas said:" what if you're wrong and there is a God? What are you going to do? Don't you want to be on the right team?" When he said that I was just like, no you didn't just say that to me.
I don't know if I just get offended too fast, but I didn't like how he made wrong and right teams, and I was automatically in the wrong team. In sports, is there such thing as a wrong or right team? I don't think so. But I do know this, they compete for a common goal, which is the fault I find in Thomas' point about religion and teams.
Here it is again, I just want to express my thoughts and opinions on why I don't believe in anything really.
To me, religion is needed if you need something in your life to guide you. A lot of people, groups of people, need it in their lives to keep good morals up. You even see mass murderers do a complete 180 just because they have a new faith. People might need it when they go through a "dark time" in their life, but what is a dark time really?
There is a reason why I preferrably do not follow religion, and I really don't like the idea a lot of the time. What I noticed is that religion has people pointing fingers. it creates good and bad based on opinion. Sure there are lessons of right and wrong, but mainly they teach good and bad, in which there is a big difference.
I see a lot more personal problems arising between two people just because one person thinks the other person is doing a "bad" thing, when the other person doesn't know what's going on. And I go with my statement from before, just because I don't have their faith, am I a bad person? Frankly, I see more sinners within religion than without.
A lot of religion also teaches to differentiate, and even segregate. Just because they don't believe in the same thing, we don't belong in the same category any more. But we're fricken human! We eat pizza together, and we all pee and poo. I don't like people being rude and calling other people inferior just because they have different views.
I told Thomas that I am open to listening to his points, but it won't work to get me to believe in his God because I am content in how things are.
I should be more prepared next time when he asks me about my faith. I am going to tell him that he has good intentions, but it isn't important to me like it is to him. And I am going to tell him to stop looking down on me like I am a lost misguided soul because I am not. I not alone. I am with myself and others, and I feel I am well rounded as opposed to those that do believe.
Bam! Take that!
Oh gosh. It's so annoying when people bombard us with this kind of bullshit. It has happened to me at work, and I'm sure I've told you about it. Like how Letty has kind of a different view of me finding out that I don't believe in God. I told her about everything that has happened with my mom in the past years, and she told me that it should have strengthened my faith. I see it both ways, but that's not a possibility for me. Anyway, that whole thing went on; but with her, I feel like she's one who follows because she's told to. Oh gosh I can go on and on.
Oh no, I hope it doesn't turn into one of those situations where they try to convert you on a biweekly/bimonthly/annual basis, gah, that would blow.
I guess you could say something like, "Please respect that I have my own views because I respect that you have yours". I wonder how responsive they'd be to something like, "I appreciate your views, and I might change my mind in the future, but I'd like to discover it on my own rather than be convinced/forced/persuaded into it."
Ultimately, there's a lot of things you could argue but their bias towards the belief in God would lead to a never-ending argument.
Hope it all sorts itself out somehow.
I'm sorry those people attacked you. I am a christian and sometimes religions get annoying for me, even other christian churches and people within fight or think they are better because they are involved in a church program and what you have to understand is that God isn't the religion people are. And people are annoying lol. Some think attacking others is some how making a good point and some think putting down people is helping to it's not. I have been looked down at at church events cause I brought a casadia...apparently the old ladies wanted me to spend 6 hours making a pot roast or something. I really hope that the ignorance or hypocritical acts of people who have a "religion" don't push you away from even a curiosity cause that would be a shame. I don't try to judge nonbelievers but to me that choice sort of is the "bad team" because first of all hell scares me second of all I asked for a specific man in junior high and now I am married to him, so God is out there and I don't always know if religions truly help people find him. But I loved your post and the honesty and intelligence in it, you see good points in religion and very respectfully talked about the issue. The angry hateful comments from both sides of the issue get annoying
The point I try to get across with people who try to enlighten me is that what may seem important to them, is not important to me. I don't think of things like where do we come from? or When was the beginning of time? or Is my life a miracle?. I don't sit there and try to make sense of things, and I just take things the way they are. Some things are just better left ambiguous to me, and I just want people to understand that religion is not apart of my life with how my goals and ambitions are in life.
And to the way I see it, there really isn't a bad team for me because, if I don't believe in it in the first place, then the threat isn't there. But that's just my take on it.
I can go on and on about this whole religious thing, and I really hope it doesn't become a bi-weekly issue because I hate talking about religion and politics. There's a reason why we don't talk to customers about that.
I think the whole subject should be off-limits in the workplace, whether or not you are on a break (same with politics and money). But of course you won't be able to bring that up, because the Xian Zombie Vampires rule this country. Still, how rude!
I wish people could mind their business at the work place and just do their job. I think talking about religion is a power trip these days, it's a race to see who knows more than who about their own religion. Because I tend to find people talking about it like they find new information and gossip or something of the sort.
I'll just stick to talking about how I tripped and fell the other day. At least we can all laugh at that!